FFPC Draft Masters Team, What do you think? Options

[lou13pla]

No way I will defend this group of QBs....

Until the end of the season.

I said like, never love LOL. I admited already I wanted another starter like Vince Young or Chad Henne, then I would be real solid.

I dont want toi end the conversation though! Keep chattin' it up about other drafts posted.

I thought American Mullett had a very good draft.

[SteeltownD]

[quote name='American Mullet' date='Jul 31 2010, 02:54 AM' post='1979']
Here's an interesting situation that arose during the draft and was stated by FBG on the FFPC thread. Wonder what people's opinions are.

Lou and I are sloughing QB's during the draft and accumulating talent at other positions while everyone else already has their first QB. Its the end of round 10 and although FBG already has Rodgers, he sees Lou and I won't take a QB until a certain level in the remaining depth of QB has been breached. He doesn't need good QBs with Rodgers, almost any duo at this point would work for him. But he's getting pissed that the two of us are pushing it off and trying to snip value when we can. The QB's left at his pick at 10.12 are Favre, Eli, Ryan, Ben, McNabb, Stafford, etc. He only has 1 WR to this point and needs to get some ASAP. The question is, do you do the best thing for YOUR team and grab the 2 best WR left or take Favre and Eli in order to force our hand? He can't control the players drafting b/w him and us in the 11th round, so the only way he KNEW he could force the run is to take BOTH which is what he did. It worked as b/w him and us (after he took Eli and Favre), Ryan, Big Ben and McNabb were taken in the next 6 picks. Would you have done the same thing?
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I have to agree, at a point in this format I would consider doing the same thing because it does improve my team and as Szatzu said "the WRs left on the board were all a crap-shoot" so, I would have felt like I could get the same type of guy coming back and potentially weaken my opponent. That sounds good to me. This is a competition for money after all, and it isn't poor sportsmanship, might be bad drafting but not in this case IMO. The bad drafting came with picking only one WR in the first 9 rounds.

[American Mullet]

Thanks for the compliment Lou.

My answer to the question is between Russ and Lou. I think it is great strategy to weaken another team ONLY if the picks improve your team as well in the process. I will agree with Lou however that Dodds selections are indefensible IMO for the following reasons:

1. He had Rodgers the consensus #1 QB. He's a lock to finish in the top 5 barring injury and he's already shown to be Favre like in his ability to play well through pain.

2. He had ONE WR through 9 rounds. By taking the two QB's that means he has ONE WR through 11 rounds. Yes it wasn't a great selection to choose from, but there were a handful I would have taken. Instead his #2 is Devin Thomas, who at this point is behind Joey Galloway on the depth chart. Don't think that stays the same, but the point is it is his #2 WR right now. If you are going to take a QB, 3 TE's and 4 RB's with your first 9 picks you should be prepared to grab whatever WR are out there starting in round 9. It's not like the options will improve between know and your next pick which is nearly 2 full rounds.

3.You cannot devote 3 of your first 11 picks to QB which will account for 10% of your starting lineup. The marginal difference he will gain in a DM is not even close to the price he paid to get it.

4. Lastly, the only reason he did it was to start a run b/c he said on the ffpc MB the reason he made these two picks was "enough was enough". So he started a QB run not for his team's benefit but to hurt other squads. This isn't a question of whether it is ethical to do so, its a strategy question. The decision is a bad one for the simple reason that it did not help his team, not that it was unfair to other teams in the draft. If he had no pressing needs at that point in the draft and this decision would have added real value to his team than it would have been a brilliant move. But as I stated before, I think he knew he was done and wanted to punish Lou by not letting him reap the benefits of a higher caliber QB in addition to the other value he had been able to collect by waiting on drafting a QB.

I do have to wonder Lou, was your decision to take Heap in the 11th a middle finger back at Dodds? In essence did you take him just so it wouldn't appear that he caused you to take a QB with your next pick? I knew exactly what he was doing with those two picks, as someone that good at ffb doesn't make two terrible picks at that point in the draft unless there was an ulterior motive. The reason I ask is the Heap pick is almost as bad if not worse than Dodd's picks. The reason why is I took Dodd's picks as him deciding to go down with the ship, while your picks you would have been just fine with any 2 of the next few QBs. Also, you knew the run on the last salvageable QBs had begun and by the time your 13 pick came back the store would be empty. That's why I wondered if the Heap pick was an act of defiance on your part.

[rsteele]

I agree that the decision to take Heap is the difference maker for my opinion on this team. Had Lou just wrapped around 2 QBs there, then he has something! I personally would have gone V. Young/Cassel.

There was no need for Heap since he likely isn't a starter for Lou more than a week or 2 due to the depth at RB/WR.

Also, I don't think Dodds is in trouble here. He only needs 2 WRs and Ocho will give him 12+ weeks of production. So, he just needs to cobb together20 weeks of results from that bunch of WRs. I'll guess he finishes top 5 in his league.

I look it as which combo would I rather have? Chris Johnson/Eli/Devin Thomas or Wells/Macklin/Orton. I want a strong QB2 and if I see 4 or 5 teams either with no QB or a weak one in round 10, I am going to do what it takes to help me and hurt them in a DM league.

Keep in mind, I think he saw several teams he could impact. I don't think it was directed at Lou alone.

$0.02

[lou13pla]

hey, all's fair ion love and war....

Dodds had to do that, but I dont think he made his team better and while he does need two WRs thats assuming he has enough in other spots. I dont think he does.

he started a run, thats what you want to do in drafts. Yes, the QB selection would have been the way to go over Heap to make it all look stronger.
And I would have liked VY, who I thought I would get but Menobrown took two. I honestly didnt expect that.

We shall see. I still wouldnt draft against others unless I had a strong roster that covered what I needed. I don't think that was the case here.

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[American Mullet]

In essence he took one for the team. He helped every team in the league by not allowing QB's to fall, but IMO he will not gain a lot of advantage for his own team by having those three with Ocho as his only decent WR. He will get KILLED in the WR position even though he has Ocho (which is two players a week as opposed to one) while he'll get a point here and a point there from having three stud QBs. Better drafted players will benefit from his bold move but he will not. I'm sorry but through 11 rounds and your only WR is Ocho? His team is dead and buried.